March, 2009
Molly was kind
enough to write in and share her story:
Hi,
I don't have a question on any thing you have for sale.. but do want to
ask about your research on the fake turquoise stones....we recently
purchased a large stone from China.. 24# nugget.. I tested with a hot
needle, and it has not been 'stabilized" no plastic smell...., I came
on
line looking to see if I could find info about this large piece and
where it was dug.
Hi
Molly,
Nice
to hear from another turquoise nugget owner. The hot needle
test
won't tell you much of anything unless it is a reallllllly cheap
imitation.
Would
be of most help to me and since I haven't updated either of my sites in
a while, would be a link to the item you bid on, the price you got it
for and a couple good high res photos of your nugget. I could
do
quite a bit with that minimal amount of information.
What
is your intent with this piece? Is
it a
single piece for jewelry, something to be broken down for multiple uses?
Some
of the fake stuff is quite impressive and beautiful in its own right,
just so long as you know what you are paying for and prospective buyers
know what they are getting.
Anyway,
if you feel like sending a bit more detail along, I would be most
interested.
Dan
Mike
took it over to the gem store in Moscow, Id. It was a large specimen
piece...24 pounds. It actually was a piece of died Howelite (sp) the seller
is going to give Mike the money back ( a pretty penny). The seller had
gotten it for another dealer, actually traded him a lot of his jasper
inventory.... so he was pretty upset... the story was that it was dug
in a mine in China...the reason I got on line in the
beginning
was to see if I could find a news article about it because it was such
a huge piece.... that was when I ran across the articles about fakes,
and I just had a gut feeling about the whole thing.
thanks for getting
back to me. we appreciate it.
Molly
Hi
.....just following up with some pictures of the 24# Chinese
"turquoise" nugget. It ended up being dyed howelite.... the man we
purchased it from returned our money,and planned on contacting the
individual he got it from. thanks for your assistance.
Now
that is one awesome chunk of fake rock!
January 2010
Update:
Bud
was kind enough to send this along:
Dear Dan,
Wow, thanks for posting your fake turquoise guide, so glad to see it!
I've
recently heard from Chinese students at the school where I work that
they also reconstitute jade, lapis, malachite, amber, coral, pearls
(can you imagine!!) and other gems so I don't buy from anyplace in
china now since I don't know what I'm getting.
I buy from US
sellers to help our economy and even then ask if they can guarantee
that the gems are undyed, untreated, un-reconstituted, etc. and for
turquoise specifically, what mine it came from.
Asking what mine
tends to help lower fraud risk...and being educated on the mines and
what the turquoise looks like from the mine helps too. I am even
cautious about antique stuff from China too, since just because it's
older does not mean it's fake.
Thanks again for posting,
Bud
Comment:
Thanks
for taking the time to write. I as well as many others
probably
weren't aware of the extent to which minerals can be reconstituted,
packaged and sold as the real deal.
Good
idea to question which specific mine the mineral came from as
well. As you said, it is also a great reason to buy American
in
these trying times.
~Dan
01/17/10 - I'm bored today. Let's see what's going on
in the world of Fake Chinese Turquoise......
Looking
at this fine piece of Chinese dyed Howlite, I can see that
there
are still a lot of suckers out there. I also noticed that
fake
Chinese rocks have lately taken on a spiritual quality.
Apparently fake dyed Howlite has rare healing
powers, as
well do other minerals emanating from the world of creative
things to do with toilet bowl cleaner.
Anything else worth
noticing? Not much, other than this must be one large hunk of
Howlite and it doesn't really look like a 'Crystal Sphere' , as
advertised in the title.
Boy I'm feeling
better about this already.
It is High Quality!
It is so surprising
beauty!
And it's only about
$200.00 a pound!
The
thing that stands out about this other than the joker's spelling
problems, is that if you discover the fake, he wants to
refund
you your money before you get the chance to leave negative feedback.
That way, he can keep the complaints to a minimum and
continue
scamming as many people as possible.
What else is going on out there............
Here's
a better looking Fake Chinese Turquoise rock and this is a bit
different in that an Anglo is holding it in his hand. This
piece
of junk is better looking than others. I had a look at this
guy's
store and it looks like he mostly sells the genuine article and
he obviously has no clue when it comes to evaluating
turquoise.
Now this is interesting looking and I have no idea whether this is fake
or the real deal.
I am leaning towards the real deal and if I was interested in this
piece, I would notify the seller that it is
going
to be examined six ways from Sunday and if it is not authentic
turquoise, there is going to be bad feedback beyond belief,
followed up by numerous complaints to the Ebay Fraud Squad - assuming
there is one.
I
see the extremely rare form of White Chinese Turquoise is still out on
the streets and selling for pennies on the dollar. My guess
is
that the scientists creating their last batch of 'authentic'
turquoise forgot to go to the store for more TidyBowl Cleaner and
rather than lose the batch, declared it one of the rarest of minerals
and tried
to pass it off for $19.95.
Don't believe me?
I'm
getting better with Photoshop (except for the feathering
part) and I would guess with the proper amount
of TidyBowl cleaner, this gem-class piece could have been
called Royal Peacock Blue Turquoise, imbued with
only the
finest of spiritual essences and found only in the remote Howlin Cho
Fakee
mines of northern China.
Well,
this one is a little less gaudy and I used an alternative method in
this fake Chinese turquoise nugget display. Now I get to
learn
about removing artifacts - but not today. Not bad, though!
08-14-2010 - A New
Term Arises: The Variegated
Fake Chinese Turquoise Nugget
Trolling around Ebay for the latest in superior Chinese
Turquoise Nugget craftsmanship, something changed.
I
think someone learned a new word, and that would be 'Variegated'.
There also seems to be some attempts at minimal disclosure -
how
to disclose that what is being sold is in essence a fake without having
to say the actual word.
......and of course there are those who have no qualms about selling
you 'genuine' Yellow Chinese Turquoise.
A Stab at Honesty -
Howlite Turquoise!
The howelite in this photo is amazingly similar to the 'genuine' yellow
Chinese turquoise in the previous photo.
Never a dull moment in the land of fake Chinese turquoise.
2011 - A New
Year! Lets see what the purveyors of Fake Chinese Turquoise
are up to..............
My, the Chinese purveyors of 'Authentic
Turquoise' have been busy. Turquoise now comes in
all colors of the
spectrum I think I like Hot Pink and Jet Black the
best,
although I am somewhat affected by the calming colors of pale pink.
I wonder if any of these stones are scented as well, I mean
if
you think Americans are total suckers, the why not go after it whole
hog. Something like:
'May
I present for your sensuous pleasure, the rare blush rose
turquoise. Found only around ancient pyramids in Eastern
China
(at least that's what they say on Coast to Coast), this blush
colored turquoise takes on the lingering scents of
roses
past, imbuing it with an ethereal quality and spiritual essence found
nowhere else in the world.'
............and
it's yours for only 99 cents a strand.
I
think the most original new idea is buying fake Chinese turquoise in a
party pack (two over, three down), or the natural freeform
frog.
If
you are cogitating on buying some turquoise this year and are confused
by the myriad possibilities presented on Ebay, and don't know where to
turn........you've come to the right place.
Simple guide for
buying turquoise:
If
what you are looking to buy resembles any of the images in this collage
and it is being passed off as turquoise and it purports to
come
from China, Hong Kong or Australia in particular, it is NOT
TURQUOISE.
It is DYED HOWLITE or WORSE.
And
I don't want to cause too much disappointment out there but the
'natural freeform turquoise frog' shown here is NOT NATURAL,
NOT
FREEFORM and NOT TURQUOISE and only marginally, a FROG!
2012
- The Year for Thinking Big - Fraud on a Grand Scale........and another Shift in Terminology.
This year the ChiComs have shifted gears.
Now we are seeing
'FreeForm' and 'FreeScale'
fake Chinese turquoise and the general theme
seems to be 'Bigger is Better!'
WHAT? ARE THEY KIDDING?
They must be following the precept that if you can tell a big enough lie enough times, people will begin to believe it.
In this case it's slightly different - see if you can sell a big enough lie enough times to reel in the suckers.
And where is the EBAY Fraud Squad? You mean this doesn't show
up on the most primitive of radar screens?
We've all heard of Caveat Emptor, but this is barenaked, outright fraud!
EBAY, are
you kidding? Are you all operating on 20 Watt bulbs over
there or what?
Brought
to you by the 24 hour a day Howlite factories pumping out all the
fradulent turquoise they can sell, and supposedly located in a real
place where real turquoise actually comes from......... Hubei,
China.
Funny, these fakes look like just like purple geodes to me.
Then again, in China - anything is possible.
This clown has a 98.9% rating. Rating in what?
Fraud?
This
isn't even worth further comment. If you're stupid
enough to
shell out the $$$ for this, then the ChiCom selling this
deserves
an early retirement.
If you do decide to go against the gods and buy one of these fine examples of Chinese fakery despite all
the warnings; find solace and comfort in knowing that the
base is probably highly irradiated
plastic, thereby significantly shortening your existence on this
planet.......and your misery as well when you finally wake up to the fact that you've been scammed.
I don't get it. Is this a rare gemstone or a bead?
So much for the sheer ridiculous.
Now to the mundane in
the world of ordinary Chinese Turquoise Fraud.
Boy this makes me feel better already. Especially the obvious command of the English language.
Leave it to
Hollywood, CA to get in on the action too:
Here we have 'fresh orange' fake turquoise with 'veins of gold' running through it - naturally, or course.
We also have hot pink, brown and yellow, and other assorted
'gem quality' Howlite or just plain old epoxy the seller purports as turquoise.
You wouldn't believe how much this Hollywood huckster is charging for
these works of 'art', or maybe you would.
I might add that yes Dorothy, there is a difference between fake turquoise, dyed geodes and
agates, and what you are referring to is actually
dyed agate.
'Freeform' Fake
Chinese Turquoise
In this year of 2012, we are now seeing 'freeform'
fake Turquoise slabs for the low-low price of............WHAT?
Free shipping though......mighty white of them, woudn't you say?
However, my heart has warmed slightly to see 'freeform' chinese fake
turquoise frogs are still on the scene. I kind of like them.
Too bad though, that the sellers of these psuedo turquoise pieces can't
label them for what they are.
I think the Chinese view the rest of us as the Japanese equivalent of Gaijin in that honesty doesn't matter if you are
dealing with someone who is not Chinese.
So what happens
when people finally begin to wise-up about fake Turquoise
Rough from China?
Well, uh.......lets see..........Claim it comes from
somewhere else?
Bingo!! Claim it comes from
Mexico!
And what fine looking material this is...........
I do like that sickly plasticky sheen.........
Urethane?......Nawww - that would cost too much.
Direct from the La Banana Mines just south of
Juarez, this piece yellow rough is selling at let's
see...
($51.00 / 9.15).....only $5.57 a pound!
You know, it would be quite helpful to the cause if you lernt to spell 'Mexico' in your false advertising campaign but then again I suppose it's par for the course. 'Mexcio' though, just doesn't quite have the same ring to it...........
If that is too much for your wallet, how about this
chunk for only $3.77 a pound!
These pieces believe it or not are being sold by an individual on the East
Coast who claims to be a legitimate dealer.
I suspect the owner's father probably was.
The current owner.......either he's totally ignorant about
turquoise or he salts fraudulent pieces in with the
genuine, and that is not an uncommon practice in the world of EBAY
mineral sales.
2012 is Shaping Up to be an Amazing Year in the world of Chinese turquoise fakery and fraud.
Watch out!
2013 - A Boring Year all in all.
The only thing of marginal interest to me in the world of
Turqoise Greed, Scams and Suckers came from a clown named John,
supposedly residing in San Jose CA.
For some reason I think this guy is ESL, Dyslexic, a really bad Babel
Fish user or another fine example of the problems facing our inner-city
public school system......or quite possibly a combination of all:
Thanks
for the night stress !looking for the great rare nuggets in china turq.
saw you story !!! so you want real
stone the best for your jewery for fair price
???? nevadagem.com cligreat book too get
copy amazon !!! we did !! he has some just what your looking for china
hubei gem at 3.usd ct he has big one we want 209 gr. we have 1
fine dealer in turq. rocks real just hard waxed some tinted we take
that all off . me in ca san jose . john
<masterbjsextant@yahoo.com>
Further commentary on this would be pointless, as was the
year of 2013 for fake Chinese turquoise nugget fraud. I
hope 2014 provides for better writing material..
Webmaster Request:
To
all you other victims of Chinese fakery and fraud........feel free to
contribute to the diatribe by sending along some pics and commentary of
your own. I've been doing this since 2006 pretty much by myself
and I could use a little help nowadays in spreading the word.
~ Thanks, Dan
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